Please stop the chinese propaganda in mediacoder

Mediacoder is a good program. The end.

Don't use it for spreading your chinese propaganda, the latest being here: http://www.mediacoder.cn/blog/index.php/20080322/103/

Everyone knows that china is occupying tibet and taiwan and that the natives are not too happy about this. And everyone knows that china expelled all foreign journalist so that only china may report the truth.

I'm so sick of all the bloody propaganda videos in youtube already and i don't need YOU to tell me bizzarre stories about the dalai-lama being a terrorist next. No one in the entire world is going to believe that ********. And no government in the entire world will stop china if it decides to massacre hundreds or thousands of civilians - again. And why? BECAUSE YOUR T-SHIRTS ARE SO CHEAP !!!!

And to the rest of the community: I hope you make sure that mediacoder is firewalled because you can't be sure how politically influenced software will be abused if the benevolent humanitarian government of china encourages it's believers to be patriotic.

[stanley]

From your post, I feel you are exposed too much to the propagandas made by the follower medias of your government.
Many innocent people are killed by dalai-lama's brutal followers. Many bloody videos on the YouTube are actually NOT taken inside the territory of China. Many were taken in India and Nepal and the Indian and Nepal policemen acted much more violently than Chinese policemen. The following link is an article written by a western journalist who happened to be in Tibet when the unrest took place in Tibet, read it to know the truth.

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/dis ... d=10870258

I don't want to comment on the Chinese government. I am not satisfied with their system and many of their polices too. However, China is a totally different country from yours. It is VERY hard to father the country to make it peace and quiet and people rich and happy in every corner. The country has suffered from too much insults in the last 150 years. Before that time, we have been used to lead the world for thousands of years. Chinese people were losing belief and confidence since 19th century but now we are trying to seek them back. The western system is not fit for China's complex situation which I bet you know little about. If you want to comment China, you need first come here to see it. As an ordinary Chinese citizen, I live a free, happy and peaceful life here in a modernized metropolitan just like many of you, doing what I like and what I'm interested in. We young people don't often care much about politics actually. I've been to Tibet, several hundreds kilometers from where I live, before this unrest of course. Everything there was also peaceful and lovely, until one day mobs destroyed the harmonious community there. They destroyed shops, robbed banks, killed people. Why don't you condemn them? You think they are acting in the correct way? What if they did these in your country? Tibet is territory of China since several hundreds years ago. This doesn't need to be questioned by you. Dalai-lama wants to be the king of the land in a system of mixing politics and religion, which is definitely not a trend in the world today.
As for Taiwan, I appreciate their democracy. Taiwan and Mainland China are both parts of China. My opinion is that two sides should form a union in a way both can accept. I don't think it's a proper way to force Taiwan to be a province of China which it used to be centuries ago.
Chinese nation is a peaceful nation. We like to be friendly and happy with other people together, with no hostility and hatred. However, there is too much hostility and hatred in our world. When China was the strongest in the world, it didn't ever think of invading other countries, while many other countries did this when they became the world strongest. If you fear China will threaten your countries in the future, that's because you are thinking in your logic.
We must accept the fact that we are living a world with diversity. Nobody should force others to behave in the way that he thinks is right.

Don't you think you are exposed to propagandas which are faked and distorted in your TV and newspaper?
Many innocent people are killed by dalai-lama's brutal followers. Many bloody videos on the youtube are actually NOT taken inside China. The Indian and Nepal policemen acted much more violently than Chinese policemen.

I wouldn't know. China doesn't allow journalists to even attempt to tell the truth. And no one in their right mind would trust any government to tell the unedited truth.

It is you who are exposed to the faked news made up by the followers of your government. The following link is an article written by a western journalist who happened to be in Tibet when the unrest took place in Tibet, read it to know the truth.

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/dis ... d=10870258

Everyone is exposed to faked news by their government. The key difference is that I am not exposed to only my governments news. I don't have to elaborate on minor things like internet censorhip, do I ?

I don't want to comment on the Chinese government. I am not satisfied with their system and many of their polices too. However, China is a totally different country from yours. It is VERY hard to father the country to make it peace and quiet and people rich and happy in every corner.

To my knowledge the chinese people as a whole enjoy more freedom and prosperity than they every did in the last few decades. Probably even centuries. I also happen to know that china is large. Large enough to force a small percentage of their people to settle in recently occupied territory and make the natives into an ethnic minority. So yes, china is complex and your governmet does rather well compared to some of it's precedessors.

Tibet is territory of China since several hundreds years ago. This doesn't need to be questioned by you.

I wouldn't dream of questioning that. But by extension one might argue that the USA rightfully belongs to Great Britain, because only a few centuries ago they were theirs. These arguments are just pointless.

We must accept the fact that we are living a world with diversity. Nobody should force others to behave in the way that he thinks is right.

So, imprisoning chinese journalists who happen a have a different point of view than the government is not the right thing to do ?
Don't answer that, I wouldn't want to get you guys into trouble in case an official doesn't like the answer.


Let me make myself clear: How would you like an OpenOffice - War against Terror Edition or maybe a "Firefox 3.0 - Patriot Act enabled" ? Buy a Nintendo Wii-didn't-do-anything-in-Nanking ?


So don't make this known as the mediacoder-*****-tibet project!
Please.

[stanley]

I wouldn't know. China doesn't allow journalists to even attempt to tell the truth. And no one in their right mind would trust any government to tell the unedited truth.

There were 3rd-party neutral media entering the area, including Hongkong-based Phenix TV. There were foreign tourists staying in that area until the end of the unrest. They will tell the world the truth.

Everyone is exposed to faked news by their government. The key difference is that I am not exposed to only my governments news. I don't have to elaborate on minor things like internet censorhip, do I ?

It seems that you know about Chinese people's life better than Chinese people. There are many channels for us to hear the neutral voice. I myself watch TV news from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore every day.

To my knowledge the chinese people as a whole enjoy more freedom and prosperity than they every did in the last few decades. Probably even centuries. I also happen to know that china is large. Large enough to force a small percentage of their people to settle in recently occupied territory and make the natives into an ethnic minority. So yes, china is complex and your governmet does rather well compared to some of it's precedessors.

Many people settle down in Lhasa because they are seeking opportunity of fortune, especially with the booming of the tourism in recent years. Some other people are sent to Tibet from the inner land for the construction of the base facilities, among them, there are engineers, workers, agriculture experts. The government has pushed forward the development of the area for several decades and has issued many favourable policies for the Tibetan people which we have never enjoyed in our lifetime. Actually, ordinary Chinese people don't like to move away from home, they all love their hometown. Many people are even not willing to be sent to work in Tibet, which has atrocious climate and much laggard development than the inner land.

I wouldn't dream of questioning that. But by extension one might argue that the USA rightfully belongs to Great Britain, because only a few centuries ago they were theirs. These arguments are just pointless.

So, what if a state of the United States declared independent today?

So, imprisoning chinese journalists who happen a have a different point of view than the government is not the right thing to do ?
Don't answer that, I wouldn't want to get you guys into trouble in case an official doesn't like the answer.

Let me answer you. Any ordinary Chinese people can have different of views about what the government, we discuss about Taiwan's president election freely on the subway. The key is that the government doesn't like people to blow the coals.

The Chinese people no longer think in the old way. Now it's you still think in the old way.

[mixer]

I always go by the rule:

"Never talk to friends about politics, religion or money."

[stanley]

I agree.